{"id":791,"date":"2019-05-25T23:34:16","date_gmt":"2019-05-25T21:34:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/?p=791"},"modified":"2019-05-25T23:36:48","modified_gmt":"2019-05-25T21:36:48","slug":"jak-nas-vidi-spanel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/2019\/05\/25\/jak-nas-vidi-spanel\/","title":{"rendered":"Jak n\u00e1s vid\u00ed \u0160pan\u011bl"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Para la versi\u00f3n espa\u00f1ola de la entrevista pincha <a href=\"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/2019\/05\/25\/como-nos-ve-un-espanol\/\">aqu\u00ed<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Kdo je Jos\u00e9? Pianista, kter\u00fd p\u0159i\u0161el do Prahy na st\u00e1\u017e a z\u016fstal dvacet let. Narodil se ve \u0161pan\u011blsk\u00e9m Valladolidu, ve m\u011bst\u011b, jeho\u017e obyvatel\u00e9 mluv\u00ed tou nej\u010dist\u0161\u00ed a nejkr\u00e1sn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed kastilskou \u0161pan\u011bl\u0161tinou, co\u017e ho p\u0159\u00edmo p\u0159edur\u010dilo k tomu, aby se v \u010cech\u00e1ch stal u\u010ditelem \u0161pan\u011bl\u0161tiny. M\u00e1m to \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed, \u017ee u\u017e n\u011bkolik let ne\u00fanavn\u011b bd\u00ed nejen nad moj\u00ed \u0161pan\u011bl\u0161tinou, ale i nad m\u00fdmi kulturn\u00edmi a historick\u00fdmi znalostmi. Krom\u011b toho m\u00e1me spole\u010dn\u00e9 jedno: oba milujeme zemi, kde jsme se nenarodili.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/106B6D7E-8F5D-411F-9AEB-934FA9C26549-768x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/106B6D7E-8F5D-411F-9AEB-934FA9C26549-768x1024.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/106B6D7E-8F5D-411F-9AEB-934FA9C26549-225x300.jpeg 225w, https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/106B6D7E-8F5D-411F-9AEB-934FA9C26549.jpeg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption>Jos\u00e9, \u0161\u0165astn\u00fd v \u010cech\u00e1ch<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jak dlouho u\u017e jsi v \u010cech\u00e1ch?<\/strong> Od roku 1999, tak\u017ee dvacet let.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Tak\u017ee kdy\u017e jsi p\u0159i\u0161el, bylo ti&#8230; dvacet \u010dty\u0159i.<\/strong> Ne, dvacet \u0161est.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Kdy\u017e jsi p\u0159i\u0161el, co t\u011b nejv\u00edc p\u0159ekvapilo?<\/strong> <strong>M\u011bl jsi kulturn\u00ed \u0161ok nebo tak n\u011bco? <\/strong>No jasn\u011b. Akor\u00e1t u\u017e je to tak dlouho, \u017ee si to moc nepamatuju. Hlavn\u011b, v\u0161echno tu fungovalo hrozn\u011b odli\u0161n\u011b. Proto\u017ee v roce 1999 se \u010cesk\u00e1 republika je\u0161t\u011b tolik nezm\u011bnila a existovala tu spousta poz\u016fstatk\u016f ze socialismu. Nap\u0159\u00edklad si vzpom\u00edn\u00e1m, \u017ee m\u011b hrozn\u011b p\u0159ekvapilo, jak byly slu\u017eby v pohostinstv\u00ed d\u011bsiv\u00e9, fakt \u0161patn\u00e9. \u010c\u00ed\u0161n\u00edci nesympati\u010dn\u00ed, neobsluhovali, nebo obsluhovali, ale \u0161patn\u011b.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>A lidi jako takov\u00ed? T\u0159eba na ulici, nebo kamar\u00e1di?<\/strong> Tak je fakt, \u017ee moje prvn\u00ed zku\u0161enost s lidmi byla fajn. P\u0159i\u0161el jsem studovat pi\u00e1no a m\u016fj profesor byl \u010cech, vzpom\u00edn\u00e1m si, \u017ee jsem se mu p\u0159edstavil anglicky a on mi \u0159ekl, \u017ee anglicky neum\u00ed, jen italsky. Tak jsme mluvili italsky, proto\u017ee j\u00e1 trochu um\u011bl, a byl \u00fa\u017easn\u00fd. M\u011bl k It\u00e1lii vztah, proto\u017ee tam u\u010dil. No a pak jsem se hned za\u010dal seznamovat s lidmi, v\u0161echno to byli mlad\u00ed studenti, a d\u011blali jsme jazykovou v\u00fdm\u011bnu: j\u00e1 je u\u010dil \u0161pan\u011blsky a oni m\u011b \u010desky. Obecn\u011b byli lidi fajn, jen ty slu\u017eby&#8230; nev\u00edm, no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Po tolika letech, um\u00edme t\u011b je\u0161t\u011b p\u0159ekvapit?<\/strong> No jasn\u011b! Nap\u0159\u00edklad m\u011b nep\u0159est\u00e1v\u00e1 p\u0159ekvapovat \u010desk\u00e1 televize, \u017ee po\u0159\u00e1d kouk\u00e1te na filmy jako &#8222;S tebou m\u011b bav\u00ed sv\u011bt&#8220; a podobn\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ale tob\u011b se l\u00edb\u00ed taky, ne?<\/strong> Jasn\u011b, ale j\u00e1 jsem je vid\u011bl jednou a sta\u010d\u00ed mi to, vy na n\u011b kouk\u00e1te ka\u017edoro\u010dn\u011b, je to tradice. Nev\u00edm t\u0159eba, co se to stalo na Silvestra roku 1975, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd rok o Silvestru jde po p\u016flnoci na \u010cT2 speci\u00e1l z roku 75 \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Tak to ani nev\u00edm.<\/strong> No fakt. V\u017edycky, v\u017edycky to d\u00e1vaj\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jak\u00e9 jsou hlavn\u00ed rozd\u00edly mezi \u010cechy a \u0160pan\u011bli?<\/strong> Jste d\u011bsn\u011b prakti\u010dt\u00ed, a\u017e do krajnosti. Jste n\u00e1\u0161 prav\u00fd opak ve spoust\u011b v\u011bc\u00ed, ale co m\u011b p\u0159ekvapuje nejv\u00edc &#8211; a mysl\u00edm, \u017ee jsem ti to u\u017e \u0159\u00edkal &#8211; je, \u017ee kdy\u017e \u0160pan\u011bl zn\u00e1 \u010dty\u0159i slova \u010desky, bude v\u0161ude \u0159\u00edkat, \u017ee \u010desky um\u00ed. Zat\u00edmco \u010cech klidn\u011b m\u016f\u017ee m\u00edt \u00farove\u0148 C1 nebo C2 ze \u0161pan\u011bl\u0161tiny a bude \u0159\u00edkat, \u017ee \u0161pan\u011blsky neum\u00ed. Kdy\u017e se \u010cecha zept\u00e1\u0161, jestli n\u011bco um\u00ed, nikdy ne\u0159ekne &#8222;ano&#8220;. Nikdy. \u0158ekne &#8222;trochu&#8220;. Nebo tak n\u011bco. Zat\u00edmco my, pokud m\u00e1me o n\u011b\u010dem pon\u011bt\u00ed, u\u017e jsme experti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Je\u0161t\u011b n\u011bco t\u011b napad\u00e1?<\/strong> Ano, nap\u0159\u00edklad vztahy. Ty jsou trochu odli\u0161n\u00e9. My m\u00e1me tendenci  kritizovat a tak trochu se pl\u00e9st do \u017eivota ostatn\u00edm. \u010ce\u0161i ne, v\u016fbec. Nekritizujete, nebo aspo\u0148 ne tolik jako \u0160pan\u011bl\u00e9, jste mnohem liber\u00e1ln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed. Kdy\u017e n\u011bkdo n\u011bco d\u011bl\u00e1, tak OK, jeho v\u011bc, nevad\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mohli bychom naopak n\u011bco p\u0159ej\u00edmat ze \u0161pan\u011blsk\u00e9 mentality?<\/strong> Ano, a tady je taky jeden rozd\u00edl. My \u0160pan\u011bl\u00e9 jsme snad trochu v\u00edc&#8230; mo\u017en\u00e1 kosmopolitn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed. Mohli byste m\u00edt v n\u011bkter\u00fdch v\u011bcech otev\u0159en\u011bj\u0161\u00ed mysl. \u010cech nap\u0159\u00edklad nikdy nepochop\u00ed, \u017ee n\u011bkomu se nel\u00edb\u00ed jet o jar\u0148\u00e1k\u00e1ch ly\u017eovat (sm\u011bje se), nebo \u017ee se mu prost\u011b nel\u00edb\u00ed ly\u017ee, bydlet na chat\u011b nebo ubytovn\u011b, kter\u00e1 p\u00e1chne vlhk\u00fdm kobercem a potem. Nerozum\u00ed tomu, \u017ee to v jin\u00fdch zem\u00edch nen\u00ed norm\u00e1ln\u00ed. Nebo \u017ee se ti nel\u00edb\u00ed jet na chatu uprost\u0159ed ni\u010deho, kde mus\u00ed\u0161 pot\u0159ebu konat do d\u00edry. Budou \u0159\u00edkat \u017ee je to super, proto\u017ee jsi v p\u0159\u00edrod\u011b.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Je n\u011bco ryze \u010desk\u00e9ho, co jsi p\u0159ijal za vlastn\u00ed?<\/strong> Ano, nel\u00edb\u00ed se mi pl\u00e9st se ostatn\u00edm do \u017eivota a kritizovat. V tomhle ohledu jsem te\u010f jako \u010cech, prakti\u010dt\u011bj\u0161\u00ed. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jako \u017ee je ti to jedno?<\/strong> Jedno ne, ale \u0160pan\u011bl\u00e9 i kdy\u017e v\u011bd\u00ed, \u017ee nem\u016f\u017eou nic d\u011blat, pot\u0159ebuj\u00ed to demonstrovat, nebo si st\u011b\u017eovat, \u017ee se ned\u00e1 nic d\u011blat. Zat\u00edmco vy to akceptujete, proto\u017ee roz\u010dilovat se nad n\u011b\u010d\u00edm, co se ned\u00e1 zm\u011bnit, je absurdn\u00ed. Je ale fakt, \u017ee v souvislosti s t\u00edm se mi zas nel\u00edb\u00ed, \u017ee b\u00fdv\u00e1te rezignovan\u00ed. My jsme mo\u017en\u00e1 v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed bojovn\u00edci a tak snadno se nevzd\u00e1v\u00e1me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jac\u00ed jsme jako studenti \u0161pan\u011bl\u0161tiny?<\/strong> Stejn\u00ed, jako kdy\u017e studujete kter\u00fdkoliv jin\u00fd ciz\u00ed jazyk. Jste takov\u00ed trochu germ\u00e1n\u0161t\u00ed, pedanti. Hned chcete objevit metodu, syst\u00e9m, v\u0161echno zorganizovat, v\u0161emu rozum\u011bt, a hlavn\u011b nemluvit a\u017e do doby, ne\u017e si budete jist\u00ed, \u017ee to ud\u011bl\u00e1te spr\u00e1vn\u011b.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jak\u00e9 je tvoje nejobl\u00edben\u011bj\u0161\u00ed \u010desk\u00e9 j\u00eddlo?<\/strong> Moc mi chutn\u00e1 vep\u0159ov\u00e9 koleno, miluju, jak d\u011bl\u00e1te kachnu, chutn\u00e1 mi i sv\u00ed\u010dkov\u00e1. Ale nejrad\u0161i m\u00e1m mysl\u00edm kachnu s knedl\u00edkem a se zel\u00edm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>My \u010ce\u0161i ve \u0160pan\u011blsku v\u017edycky nav\u0161t\u011bvujeme jen dv\u011b m\u00edsta. Bu\u010f pl\u00e1\u017ee, nebo Barcelonu. Co bys n\u00e1m doporu\u010dil poznat?<\/strong> Tak za prv\u00e9, j\u00e1 tomu rozum\u00edm, jezd\u00edte prost\u011b na turistick\u00e1 m\u00edsta. Stejn\u011b tak, jako kdy\u017e jedete do \u0158ecka, vlastn\u011b nejedete do \u0158ecka, ale za sluncem a na pl\u00e1\u017e. Ale bylo by fajn poznat v\u00edc m\u00edst, proto\u017ee p\u0159edstava, kterou m\u00e1te o \u0160pan\u011blsku, je dost omezen\u00e1. Tak\u017ee j\u00e1 doporu\u010duji Madrid a okol\u00ed, sm\u011brem na jih Toledo a sm\u011brem na sever Kast\u00edlii, \u00c1vilu a Segovii. No a p\u0159edev\u0161\u00edm sever \u0160pan\u011blska, proto\u017ee pro \u010cechy je to velk\u00e1 nezn\u00e1m\u00e1. Je \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00fd, ne\u017e byste si mohli myslet, m\u00e1 pl\u00e1\u017ee, jasn\u011b, klima je tu jin\u00e9 ne\u017e na jihu a voda je o dost studen\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, ale v\u0161em \u010cech\u016fm, kte\u0159\u00ed ho nav\u0161t\u00edvili, se hrozn\u011b l\u00edb\u00ed. Vy \u010ce\u0161i m\u00e1te n\u011bco s horami, co nech\u00e1pu, milujete hory, a na severu jsou hory, mo\u0159e, zele\u0148, skv\u011bl\u00e1 gastronomie. Fakt je, \u017ee byste m\u011bli b\u00fdt otev\u0159en\u011bj\u0161\u00ed v gastronomii. Hlavn\u011b na mo\u0159sk\u00e9 plody nejste zvykl\u00ed a na za\u010d\u00e1tku v\u00e1s nel\u00e1kaj\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Pokud bys m\u011bl doporu\u010dit jedno \u0161pan\u011blsk\u00e9 j\u00eddlo, kter\u00e9 by to bylo?<\/strong> P\u0159ekvap\u00ed t\u011b to, ale pro m\u011b jedno z nejlep\u0161\u00edch \u0161pan\u011blsk\u00fdch j\u00eddel je galicijsk\u00e9 raxo. &#8222;Raxo&#8220; je restovan\u00e9 hov\u011bz\u00ed, maso z Galicie, s hranolkami. Skv\u011bl\u00e9 j\u00eddlo. A jako v\u00edno Ribeiro, typick\u00e9 galicijsk\u00e9.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jsi tu \u0161\u0165astn\u00fd? Z\u016fstane\u0161 tu?<\/strong> \u010clov\u011b\u010de, kdybych nebyl \u0161\u0165astn\u00fd, m\u011bl bych nav\u0161\u00edvit psychiatra, po t\u011bch dvaceti letech, ne? Ano, jsem \u0161\u0165astn\u00fd. Nechci odej\u00edt, jsem tu spokojen\u00fd. \u0158ekn\u011bme, \u017ee \u010cechy jsou pro m\u011b jako moje \u017eena. Miluje\u0161 j\u00ed, a\u010dkoliv jsou dny, kdy bys ji nejrad\u0161i zabil. Miluju \u010ceskou republiku se v\u0161emi jej\u00edmi dobr\u00fdmi i \u0161patn\u00fdmi vlastnostmi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>D\u00edky.<\/strong> Nen\u00ed za\u010d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_9610-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-795\" srcset=\"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_9610-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_9610-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_9610-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/IMG_9610.jpg 2016w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><figcaption>J\u00e1, \u0161\u0165astn\u00e1 ve \u0160pan\u011blsku<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Para la versi\u00f3n espa\u00f1ola de la entrevista pincha aqu\u00ed. Kdo je Jos\u00e9? Pianista, kter\u00fd p\u0159i\u0161el do Prahy na st\u00e1\u017e a z\u016fstal dvacet let. Narodil se ve \u0161pan\u011blsk\u00e9m Valladolidu, ve m\u011bst\u011b, jeho\u017e obyvatel\u00e9 mluv\u00ed tou nej\u010dist\u0161\u00ed a nejkr\u00e1sn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed kastilskou \u0161pan\u011bl\u0161tinou, co\u017e ho p\u0159\u00edmo p\u0159edur\u010dilo k tomu, aby se v \u010cech\u00e1ch stal u\u010ditelem \u0161pan\u011bl\u0161tiny. M\u00e1m to \u0161t\u011bst\u00ed, &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/2019\/05\/25\/jak-nas-vidi-spanel\/\" class=\"more-link\">Pokra\u010dovat ve \u010dten\u00ed<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8222;Jak n\u00e1s vid\u00ed \u0160pan\u011bl&#8220;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1,17,4],"tags":[6,38],"amp_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/791"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=791"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/791\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":805,"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/791\/revisions\/805"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=791"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=791"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/spanelskodokapsy.cz\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=791"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}